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// Aluminum extruders · Profile quote requests

Aluminum extrusion quote requests, read off the print into a draft for your estimator.

One job, tried on requests you have already answered. AI reads a customer's profile drawing and request into a draft for your estimator: alloy and temper, weight per foot if stated, length, the tolerance standard named on the print, finish, fabrication, annual quantity, die status, and the items a person must decide. No price and no die plan comes out of it.

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Past requests
20 to 30
Prices set
None
Plant systems touched
None

// The one job

From a print and a few lines of email to a draft your estimator can price

A customer sends a section drawing, sometimes a sketch or an old part number, and a sentence about what they need. Someone at your desk pulls out the alloy, the temper, the shape class, length and finish, checks whether a die already exists and who owns it, and writes down what the customer left open before anyone can put a number on it.

For the test, AI works from copies of requests you answered in the past and fills that draft one field at a time, noting where on the print each value came from. Anything the customer did not state stays blank and goes on a list for your estimator. Your reviewer, the estimator who knows these requests best, lays each draft beside the quote that actually went back.

Profile print and requestDrawing, sketch or email note
Alloy and temper
Section callouts
Finish note
Annual quantity
CalloutAs writtenPage and corner
Made-up print, no customer's profile
Field by field
to a draft
Draft for your estimatorNothing priced
Die status
Finish and fabrication
Tolerance standard
Left to decide
FieldAs statedOpen
Made-up draft, for illustration

// Why it takes a person

What an extrusion print leaves for your estimator

Alloy and temper can arrive in several shapes. Albuquerque Public Schools' storefront specification calls for ASTM B221 alloy 6063-T5 for extrusions and, in the same line, allows another alloy and temper the manufacturer recommends for the finish. Michigan State University's standard leaves alloy and temper to the manufacturer for the use and finish, and sends extruded bars, rods, profiles and tubes to ASTM B 221, structural pipe and tube to B 429 and structural profiles to B 308. Rutgers wants a door sensor housing in 6063-T52. The temper letter carries meaning of its own: the Aluminum Extruders Council describes T5 as cooled from an elevated temperature and artificially aged, T6 as solution heat-treated and artificially aged, and F as extruded with no mechanical property limits. So the draft copies what the print says and marks a missing temper as a decision.

Shape class is what the die question turns on. The council defines a solid profile as one with no enclosed void, a hollow as one whose cross section completely encloses one or more voids, and a semi-hollow as a partially enclosed void, where the die's tongue area is large against the gap. Porthole and pancake are its most common hollow dies, and the backer, bolster and sub-bolster behind a die may be charged separately on a complex shape. So die status on the draft is one plain field: found on the tooling list you send, new, or ask, with the shape class the print shows. Which die, whose die and what it costs stay with your estimator and your die shop.

Circle size and weight point at a press. The council's manual measures a shape by its circumscribing circle, the smallest circle that fully encloses the cross section. Its design page says extrusions are most economical inside a circle between one and ten inches, that keeping a shape under 8 inches at 3 pounds or less per foot generally improves the design, and that press availability depends on circle size, area and weight together. The draft copies a stated weight per foot and its units when the request gives one and never calculates it, because your estimator's own numbers are the ones that count.

A tolerance note can point at a book. The council's tolerances page sends readers to the Aluminum Association's Aluminum Standards and Data, where tables 11.5 through 11.14, 12.2 through 12.5 and 12.10 through 12.14 cover extrusions, and it separates industry standard tolerances from precision ones, with geometric dimensioning and tolerancing for complex parts. The association also sells ANSI H35.2, Dimensional Tolerances for Aluminum Mill Products, in a 2024 edition. The manual adds that a dimension across solid metal holds closer than one across a gap. So the draft names the standard and edition the print gives, records each callout as written, and lists any precision or GD&T note for your estimator. It does not set a tolerance.

Finish and fabrication add lines, and color may still be open. The manual tells designers to mark exposed surfaces on the drawing so the extruder can protect them, and the council's fabrication page starts with cutting from the as-extruded length, then punching, machining, bending or welding. Newberry County, South Carolina's storefront section names ASTM B221 and AAMA 2604 and leaves color for the architect to pick from the manufacturer's full range, so a request built from it can't yet say what color. Your reviewer, usually your lead estimator, checks each draft against the quote that went back: every callout read, die status answered, finish and fabrication lines, and the questions your team really asked. Standards appear here as words a print may use; this page is not engineering advice.

// What you send

What your estimating desk gathers

Copies only
Commercial work only
01

20 to 30 past quote requests

Each with the print or sketch, the customer's message and the quote your team sent. Include a new shape, a repeat profile at a new length and one you turned down.

02

The worksheet behind each

Your estimating sheet or notes on weight, finish and fabrication, as your team wrote them. Blacken any figures you'd rather keep back.

03

Tooling on file

An export of the dies you hold, with profile numbers, shape class and whose die it is. Mark any that are retired.

04

Your finish and fabrication names

The paint and anodize options you sell, your outside finishers, and the fabrication steps you offer, so the draft uses your own words for them.

05

A signed NDA, then copies

Nothing moves before the NDA. No login to your ERP, quoting tool, press or die system. If a print has to stay in the plant, we make a look-alike with your reviewer.

// Before it starts

Agreed before a print is copied

The owner and your lead estimator settle these before the first request is shared.

Before the proof of conceptOwner decides
Your reviewer
The owner's pick, most often your lead estimator
Success criteria
In writing: which fields must be read and which must come back as questions
Die status
Existing, new or ask, checked against your tooling list
Prices
Left for your estimator, now and after the test
Price
A range for running it live, set out before any print moves

// How it's scored

The quote your team sent, set beside each draft

Request by request
field by field
Compared across the same requestsWhat your team sent backThe AI draft
Alloy and temper as the print states themFilled in on your requestsFilled in on your requests
Weight per foot, only where the request gives oneFilled in on your requestsFilled in on your requests
Length and the tolerance standard namedFilled in on your requestsFilled in on your requests
Finish lines and fabrication stepsFilled in on your requestsFilled in on your requests
Annual quantity or release size as statedFilled in on your requestsFilled in on your requests
Die status: existing, new or askFilled in on your requestsFilled in on your requests
Open items your estimator also raisedFilled in on your requestsFilled in on your requests
Blank until your own requests run. A row only earns a mark once a draft has been built from one of your past quotes.Your reviewer marks each one and makes the call.

// After a yes

About 30 days on new requests

With your reviewer's yes, each new request gets the same draft for about 30 days.

Your estimator approves every quote, sets every price and die charge and decides what goes back to the customer. The same table scores the live month.

// Possible next jobs

After profile requests, if you choose

Ranked, not promised
Each priced alone
  1. 01

    Alloy and origin certificate files

    Each shipment's mill and plant records assembled for your quality manager to review and release.

    Next
  2. 02

    Repeat profiles at a new length or finish

    A reorder compared with the last quote, so a changed length or finish reaches your estimator first.

    Then
  3. 03

    Bow, twist and finish complaints

    A complaint read against the print's tolerance note and the lot's records, for your quality manager.

    After that

// One hard limit

It prices nothing and sets no die plan.

The proof of concept never touches your ERP, a plant system or a live quote, and it never prices a job, sets a die plan, picks a press or sets a tolerance. Your estimator approves every quote. Defense and aerospace work stays out.

Priced per job. You get a range before the proof of concept and a fixed price before you sign.

The range follows your monthly request count, your mix of custom and commercial shapes, and how often a finish or fabrication step goes outside.

// Questions

Questions about profile quote requests

Will the AI give us a price or a die cost?
No. It drafts what the customer asked for, one field at a time, and lists what your estimator has to decide. Every price, die charge and lead time comes from your team.
Can it read a sketch or a 3D model?
It reads what is stated on a drawing, sketch or request note. A model or a sample can't be measured in the test, so the draft says one exists and lists what your team would need from it.
What if the print doesn't give an alloy or temper?
Then those fields stay blank and go on the open list. The draft never assumes 6063 or any other alloy because a similar profile used it.
How does the draft handle die status?
It checks the profile number and revision against the tooling list you send and marks the field existing, new or ask. Your estimator or die shop makes the call.
Do you need a login to our quoting or ERP system?
No. The test runs on copies and exports and returns a draft your estimator can mark up. How live drafts would reach your own system gets settled only after a yes.
Rob Eason

Rob Eason, founder

// Book a proof of concept call

Start with last month's quote requests and the prints behind them.

Thirty minutes with Rob on your presses, your role, how you'd like to test it and about how many requests reach your estimators each month. Prints stay with you until the NDA is signed.

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